i don't want to sound like a grumpy film snob or anything, but does it bug anyone else how editing has changed over the years? nowadays it's all "MTV" style with quick cuts to feed into our collective A.D.D. we have while watching movies. for some reason i've been noticing it more lately and it's getting on my nerves.

do you remember the "old days" where directors weren't afraid of long takes to establish a mood? i love when the camera just sits and observes people, and unfortunately that's happening less and less these days......

I know what you mean Keegan. Some of the greatest films ever made are famous because of their long takes and focus on making the audience really engage with a shot or sequence.

Speaking of that, I just watched Gus Van Sant's "Elephant" again the other day and some of those LT's are amazing! Especially the one where it follows the kid into the school. Wow!

Hey you guys have you seen "Hunger"? ... Man I liked it, was stirring.

But if you have seen it, then you would have seen Director Steve McQueen's two shot that sat on Michael Fassbender as Bobby Sands in prison talking to the Priest.

It sat on a two shot of them, from head to toe, just sitting at a table for about 15mins, no edits. Can't remember, but I think there was no camera movement too. Was compelling, but I think it was atleast halfway into the movie.

Yeah editing has to change, just as the things change through the decades. Everything will just naturally change and evolve. Like feature films are able to videoed instead using film stock.

Editing can get annoying in some cases, leading to red herrings or leaves scenes with no room to breathe. Some directors stick with a certain style of editing that will follow through alot of their projects that they work on, but aslong as they are consistant I would say.
Also our eyes are so used to seeing things being cut so fast, some movies made from say the 70's might not hold up very well in today's eyes. Just because it could be too slow of pace with the edtiting and it can't hold some people's attention.

So much to say but I will leave it there ... Oh yeah, I must see "Elephant" I keep forgetting too ... I heard lots of good things about that movie being good, yet I know little about it myself.

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Long shots are actually good. Editing obviously gives you a good cine, but the story and the style and the acting keeps on changing, which automatically hurts the repo.

yeah editing has changed in years but there are still many movies which has set a bench mark and still they are not challenged for example
Casablanca or say 12 angry man and in new movies i went to Watch The Hangover 2 and its editing is also very good!!
so basically it completely depends on who is editing!!!